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I am more convinced than ever that nothing that traditional bar organizations are doing is going to move the needle on the sad stats on lawyer happiness ...
The root cause of all lawyers' problems is financial stress. Financial stress holds you back from getting the right people on the bus, running the right systems, and being able to only do work for clients you want to work with. Financial stress keeps you in the office on nights and weekends, often doing work you hate for people you don't like, and doing that work alone.
(Yes, you have permission to do only work you like doing and doing it with people you like working with.)
The money stress is not because the lawyers are bad lawyers or bad people. In fact, most lawyers are good at the lawyering part and they are good people.
The money stress is caused by the general lack of both business skills and an entrepreneurial mindset.
Thus, good lawyers who are good people get caught up and slowed down in bringing their gifts to the world. Their families, teams, clients, and communities are not well-served because you can't serve others at your top level when you are constantly worrying about money.
We can blame the law schools and the elites of the profession who are running bar organizations, but to blame anyone else for your own woes is a loser's game. It is, in itself, a restrictive, narrow, mindset that will keep you from ever seeing, let alone experiencing, a better future.
Lawyers need to be in rooms with other entrepreneurs. They need to hang with people who won't tell you that your dreams are too big or that "they" or "the system "won't allow you to achieve them. They need to be in rooms where people will be in their ear telling them that their dreams are too small.
Get in better rooms. That would be the first step.
Second step, ignore every piece of advice any general organized bar is giving about how to make your firm or your life better.
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Ep. 178 - Beyond the White Coat: AI, Medicine, and Reinventing the Doctor’s Life with Dr. Andrew Roberts
In this episode of the Renegade Lawyer Podcast, host Ben Glass sits down with Dr. Andrew Roberts—retired internist, AI hobbyist, and public servant. From running for coroner in Indiana to mentoring small business owners with SCORE, Andrew’s “retirement” is anything but quiet.
Ben and Andrew discuss:
- What it’s really like to run for coroner in a mid-sized county—and why it's a partisan election
- The practical (and surprising) ways AI is transforming medicine, from patient notes to billing
- The crossover opportunities in AI for lawyers and doctors alike
- Why are both professions in an “AI arms race” with insurance companies
- How physicians and attorneys can reclaim time by building a “second brain”
- Tools for AI-driven vacation planning, product comparison, email triage, and more
Additionally, Ben and Andrew discuss what it means to retire into something meaningful and how AI is creating space for more service, not just efficiency.
Both Ben and Andrew will be speaking at the 2026 White Coat Investor Conference in Las Vegas.
Ben Glass is a nationally recognized personal injury and long-term disability insurance attorney in Fairfax, VA. Since 2005, Ben Glass and Great Legal Marketing have been helping solo and small firm lawyers make more money, get more clients and still get home in time for dinner. We call this TheGLMTribe.com
What Makes The GLM Tribe Special?
In short, we are the only organization within the "business builder for lawyers" space that is led by two practicing lawyers.
One thing we're sure you've noticed is that despite the variety of options within our space, no one else is mixing
the actual practice of law with business building in the way that we are.
There are no other organizations who understand the highs and lows of running a small law firm and are engaged in talking to real clients. That is what sets GLM apart from every other organization, and it is why we have had loyal members that have been with us for two-decades.
What are some of the ways that you're seeing people use AI in their personal lives just to hopefully get a better quality of life?
Speaker 2:Regardless of what industry you're in, we all deal with emails. You know personal and professional with your job. Just keeping up with your email inbox can be a challenge. But there are a lot of AI tools or programs that will help organize or handle your emails. So they'll filter all the emails, put them in different groupings and actually draft a response to them. It's not going to send it, it'll leave it in draft form for you to kind of review and edit if you need it and then click send. But it saves a ton of time as far as like managing your emails.
Speaker 2:So that's one area. Another area is planning. Even when it comes to like buying a new grill or a new car or whatever, I kind of go down the rabbit hole of trying to see what all options are available, which one's the best, most economical, all that kind of stuff. So AI is good at deep research tools to help kind of going over all the different options and giving you a concise kind of report. Same for even like planning vacations. You can have it create like a itinerary for your vacation to wherever, and so I mean and these are just like a few areas where it can help with- Welcome to the Renegade Lawyer Podcast, where we don't just practice law, yet we rethink the whole game.
Speaker 1:I'm Ben Glass, attorney, entrepreneur, coach and dad to nine. For over 40 years I've battled insurance companies and built a law firm that stands for something bigger. This show is for the creators, the thinkers, those who believe your practice can be your platform for doing good, making money and still making it home for dinner. Every week we bring you real conversations with people who've challenged the status quo, built great lives and have something powerful to teach you. If you're ready to stop playing small, let's go.
Speaker 1:Hey everyone, this is Ben, and welcome back to the Renegade Lawyer Podcast, where each episode or most episodes I'm interviewing someone inside or outside of legal who's dinging the world. And today I've got a very interesting guest, dr Andrew Roberts. The world. And today I've got a very interesting guest, dr Andrew Roberts. Dr Roberts is out in Indiana. He and I will both be speaking at the White Coat Investor Summit. It's going to be out in Las Vegas in March of next year.
Speaker 1:The White Coat Investor Conference is a premier conference for financial health and wellness, serving primarily the healthcare industry, but not solely, and so he and I will both be there and when I saw the speaker list come out there Andrew and you were going to talk about some practical uses of AI I thought all right, that's pretty cool because I think the whole world is kind of on the cutting edge of that. And then I did some research and you've got some really interesting other things, and I want to talk about your run for coroner in your small town in Indiana. But thanks for carving out some time to be with us today.
Speaker 2:Oh, for sure, yeah, and thanks for having me, ben.
Speaker 1:Absolutely yeah. So you know we were talking before we went live and just interesting as a side note. So a lot of my listeners know we've got nine children, four adopted from China. They grew up in a metropolitan area here in Northern Virginia. You're an adoptee from South Korea. You grew up in a very small town in Indiana. I'm just curious, as you're an adult now and reflecting back on that experience, what was it like? And I'm kind of curious if you're willing to share, how's that shaped who you are today?
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely so. Like you mentioned, I grew up in a very small town in Indiana. We had one or two stoplights, so I definitely represented the total minority population in my city and you know, both my adoptive parents are Caucasian and the area I grew up is primarily Caucasian as well. So sometimes I kind of felt out of place or different, but for the most part I hate to say it, but I didn't really view myself with my Asian heritage or identity, and with my Asian heritage or identity I kind of have lost that just in my environment that I grew up in and not having that exposure even to kind of broader diversity in general. So you know, now that I've gotten older, I've kind of had taken a little bit more interest in maybe possibly going back to Korea. I've never been back since I was born, you know, when I came over four months old. But uh, you know I don't speak the language, I don't particularly care for their food I'm. I definitely would be going more, as you know, not from my identity or not going from that perspective.
Speaker 1:So but yeah, You'd be going as a curious adult, right? Exactly yeah, just not wanting to learn more Did. You have siblings growing up not going from that perspective? So, but yeah, you'd be going as a curious adult, right? Exactly yeah, there's no wanting to learn more did did you have siblings growing up?
Speaker 2:um, I did. I, um, I have a twin brother. Actually, we're fraternal twins and we were adopted together, wow. But I believe I have, like two other siblings that were born before me that are still in Korea that I never met and, you know, I probably never will.
Speaker 1:Wow, what a journey. And I noticed also when I was looking around that you did your training out here at George Washington University.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, well, I did part of my training. I grew up in Indiana. I did, you know, high school, college, med school and even part of residency in Indiana. But I switched, transferred to George Washington, my third year of residency, because my fiance well, we're married now but my fiance was transferred out that way and we could have done long distance for a year or two, but luckily I was. You know, it's rare to transfer mid residency but they had an open spot and my program was willing to kind of let me go. So it worked out for the best. But but yeah, I did train.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you, you and your fiance and your husband, right, and you've got two, two little ones. I looked, I looked, yeah, you did so you had that flexibility. Wow, that's, that's very cool. And now and we'll get to this AI stuff in a moment but you describe yourself as, I think, a currently retired internist. I noticed in last year you ran for coroner of what's probably a small county. I don't know Indiana, so tell me a little bit about that experience, like most people hardly even know, and I don't even know, so tell me a little bit about that experience. Like I heard, like most people hardly even know, and I don't even know, in Fairfax County, if we have, like, an elected coroner or not. I have no idea because I've just never noticed. What is that like in a small community?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you are correct, I am retired. I hate to say that use that word just because you know, if you look at me which I know some people can't look at me right now, but I'm relatively young, so I always tell people like I'm semi-retired, just so it doesn't sound as bad. But but, yeah, I don't work anywhere for money. So that leaves, and just with my age and given that you know I have all this free time, I am used to being busy, so I needed ways to kind of fill my time or or find meaning or purpose in life. So, um, politics, I've always kind of been interested in politics and, um, a little bit of a political junkie. And and, yeah, not too many people know that the coroner is an elected position. You know why is a coroner an elected position? Um, why, and you know, and I don't even know if if it's an elected position like in every state or if that's just in the other, but you know it could be very well. But it is not only an elected position, but it's a partisan position. They make you choose a party, whereas you know, like school boards, you don't have to choose a party, you're all just nonpartisan. I don't know why it's an elected position and a partisan position.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I did run. Just to say I did, even though I grew up in a small town. I don't live it, I live near that town. I don't live there anymore, but I live kind of in Allen County or Fort Wayne, so technically we're the second largest city in Indiana, so it represents the county that I ran in. Allen County corner comprised a large amount of voters. I needed like 80,000 votes to win, which I was nowhere near, but I did it for the experience.
Speaker 1:Of all things, that the science of the dead and how they got that way would be as apolitical as you could possibly be. That's just so interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know, not too many people realize it and I learned a lot too, but most coroners in the country are not physicians and you don't have to be a physician to be coroner. You do if you're like a medical examiner or whatnot, but the coroner is kind of more of a administrative position. They have deputy coroners or medical examiners that actually do like the autopsies and whatnot. But yeah, I don't know why. Again, it's a partisan position Interesting.
Speaker 1:Well, let's talk about AI. Before we went live, you described yourself as an AI hobbyist. I think, as you and I are recording this in August of 2025, and particularly, you know, in my space, in the legal space and I'm sure, in the medical space, we're on just interesting front, I think, front of the curve times, where I don't know what it's like in medicine, but in legal, I'll describe it as there's a whole bunch of lawyers that are running away from it because you know it hallucinates and they write things in briefs without checking on citations. And then there's most lawyers like haven't even opened the box yet, so they are agnostic about the whole thing, because they're too busy or they don't see the tsunami, I think, and they haven't opened the box. And then there's this tiny percentage and I think I'm playing a little bit in that space was like holy cow. This is revolutionary. I don't even know what it's going to do, but it's going to do something and I want to be there when it happens, right? What's it like in medicine?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so medicine is definitely, just like law, one of those areas where AI is having a big impact. But, like you said, ai is having an impact in all the industries. Basically you can't run away from it. But specifically, you are right, it's constantly changing. It's hard to kind of keep up with. That's why I'm purposely going to wait until the very last minute to write my or do my talk or presentation, just because I know if I did it now it would be outdated by the time march came around.
Speaker 2:But in medicine specifically, I uh, it's changing in a couple different areas and my talk last year was actually how to use ai in medical practice or in medicine. This year I did AI in your personal life just to kind of differentiate it. But AI in medicine is mostly being affected by note-taking. So, like ambient note speakers are a big multi-billion dollar industry where there's like an arms race between all these different companies like Dragon, copilot, which is DAX, and Suno, and there's a bunch of big names out there that are all kind of competing and that's. I know people that have used kind of ambient AI note takers and they say it's kind of a game changer as far as decreasing burnout and documentation, I'm sure even for like 100% yeah, retain it and cause of burnout.
Speaker 2:But not only that, but there's another big area is clinical decision-making systems. So you may have heard, I don't, you're not in medicine but like open evidence, is this AI-backed? It's kind of like chat, gpt, except for medicine, and it's linked to like New England Journal of Medicine where you can ask it a question and it'll look up evidence-based material to provide a answer to your question. So I definitely agree, ai can hallucinate and give you, make up false studies and citations and all that. So you have to be wary. But if you're using a system designed like open evidence, be weary. But if you're using a system designed like open evidence, designed by clinicians for clinicians, it's much more accurate and reliable. So that's another big area that AI is being implemented. And then there's all these niche areas, like for radiology, using AI to help diagnose or treat, and same for pathology and dermatology and even surgery.
Speaker 1:So there's specific use cases for it so I imagine, let's say, you gave a presentation last year at the white coat investor conference and I imagine but correct me if I'm wrong that that's probably an entrepreneurial subset of the health care industry. I'm thinking right, and so I'm curious, like what was the tone and temperature of the reception? People like holy cow, this is really cool. I guess the ones sitting in your room probably were like they were there for a reason or it could also, but that could also be like. But this shit is overwhelming. Like I'm so busy right now and I'm trying to keep my life together, and now Andrew is talking about you know, five more programs I'd ever heard of in my life, right, so what was it?
Speaker 1:like for you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean. So the majority of the people that attended my talk were, I mean, it did. There was a range, but but a lot of them had experience with AI. They maybe had used a AI, ambient scribes or they obviously majority of people were familiar with, like chat, gpt and Google Gemini all those generative AI systems and, like I said afterwards, a lot of people came up to me and they told me about like they were like a CMO for a tech company in San Francisco and they were developing these AI algorithms and they were definitely way above my level of understanding and could have done a much better job at doing the talk.
Speaker 2:But, yeah, there were maybe a smaller subset of people where they were completely new to AI and maybe to them it was a little bit overwhelming like, oh my gosh, you can do all this, because I did present a lot of different tools and different websites and all that. So if you were new to it, then trying to take it all in could have been overwhelming. But for the most part, people had a base understanding and it was just kind of exposing them to different um options that were available to them. So so for the most part, people were very interested, uh, and almost wanting more information, but I kept it very high level and basic, just because you can get very technical.
Speaker 1:What you can do in an hour when you're hitting sort of the breadth of a topic like AI today and so and you know we'll be together in March, but that's six months or so from now it seems like if you were and you're going to talk more about AI in your personal life. But if you were doing it today, what are some of the things that you'd be talking about, some of the tools you'd be talking about and the ways that, whether someone is a lawyer or a doctor or you know, just mom or dad, has got a completely different job outside of either of our industries? What are some of the ways that you're seeing people use AI in their personal lives just to hopefully get a better quality of life?
Speaker 2:For sure. So just kind of a and I haven't really even done the research yet but just in my what I use it for and my limited knowledge, I know well, regardless of what industry you're in, we all deal with emails. You know personal and professional, with your job. Just keeping up with your email inbox can be a challenge. I know I have like 10 different email accounts that have just kind of accumulated, some for spam, some just are legacy. I have my same one from like high school even still that I use. But there are a lot of AI tools or programs that will help organize or handle your emails. So they'll filter all the emails, put them in different groupings and actually draft a response to them. It's not going to send it, it'll leave it in draft form for you to kind of review and edit if you need it and then click send. But it saves a ton of time as far as like managing your emails and it'll like get. It'll obviously like sort out the junk mail, which most email providers have a spam filter anyways.
Speaker 2:But email management is a big area where AI can help and, like I said, a lot of the tools are actually free to use or have a free trial at least for you to kind of get a taste of. So that's one area. Another area is planning Like you can have it. I know a lot of times in the medical community too, we have a lot of super anal people that like to plan every detail and are very detail oriented. So and I'm kind of the same way, even when it comes to buying a new grill or a new car or whatever I kind of go down the rabbit hole of trying to see what all options are available, which one's the best, most economical, all that kind of stuff. So AI is good at, especially kind of the deep research tools to help kind of going over all the different options and giving you a concise kind of report on what grill is the best grill to buy and why, and which the cheapest place to get it.
Speaker 2:Same for even like planning vacations.
Speaker 2:You can have it create like a itinerary for your vacation to wherever Italy and say you're going to be at these cities, and it'll like plan out a route and give you um pricing and all that, and you can even specify whether you have little kids or or you know, if you're, what type of experience you're looking for.
Speaker 2:So so I mean and these are just like a few areas where it can help with you know, like I said, researching, planning your emails, and I need to do more research on it but there is like a program or different, a couple of different websites or programs where they actually can clone you, where they I don't know how it does it yet, but I don't know you feed it information or it learns your patterns or your decision-making process and it will clone you so that you know if you took a vacation. Your spouse or employees or whatever can ask this avatar or whatever program questions and it basically answers them as if it were you. So it's like a replacement for you, and I don't know how well it does or how it even gets that information, but I need to do more research.
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Speaker 1:Okay, we're back and I want to build on what Dr Andrew Roberts just shared about personal AI use. So here's the thinking on that, especially from the legal side. So we have built out ways. So we only handled cases in two domains personal injury cases and the thing I'll be talking about in March, which is long-term disability insurance claims, so representing claimants against insurance companies. And, of course, we have a methodology that we've used. We have processes that we use. We have kind of the way we think and absolutely using paid versions of tools as simple as ChatGPT and Perplexity and Quad.
Speaker 1:We go into those Every time we get a new case and we continue to experiment. We go into it with the goal of being able to create what I would call a second brain. It doesn't mean that you don't need the human being anymore and you don't need the. You know the lawyer's strategy, but there's so much and I imagine it's got to be the same in medicine. There's so much when you're treating a patient or dealing with a client, which is fact accumulation first. Before now, you put your physician brain into gear to figure out what is this, what are these facts telling me about the person? Same thing in law, like fact accumulation first, then brain for strategy. How do we go? Where do we go? And so, at least now in August of 2025, the fact accumulation part, the reading of files, the reading of medical records. For us, the sorting out of chronologies and doctor opinions is almost instantaneous and the accuracy is just getting better every day. Again, we're not replacing the human, but it allows us to get to a place more quickly where we can apply the, where our humans can now start working on the case.
Speaker 1:And so, to your point, we don't know how it does it. Well, it does it in part because you're telling it this is what I want you to build and it is really cool. I don't know if you ever had ChatGBT roast. You Not, yet I haven't tried that. It's horrible. And then you can say be meaner. It's like you know, depending on how long you've played inside of your ChatGBT account, how much it quote has done for you. Right, it's horrible. Yeah, I bet it can be horrible for you. I'm curious.
Speaker 1:So, again, there's kind of this small percentage of people like you and I and others in the space, right, who are thinking about what does the future bring? I'm curious about how you are thinking about it. How does Andrew, how do you learn about these new tools? How do you keep up to date? Are there podcasts or blogs or things that you're like yeah, I follow this guy or this gal or whatever, and this is kind of really cool or groups that you're in like what are you doing to stay on top of this? Even as a quote unquote hobbyist, however, I think you're very valuable to all those folks who are listening to you, right? How do you think about it? I think this is going to be critical in the future.
Speaker 2:For sure. Yeah, and, like I said, it's so hard to kind of keep up just because it's constantly evolving and changing and, you know, the way I've learned best is just by experimenting with all these different tools. I wish I could say I listened to AI specific podcasts or I were part of networking groups or whatnot. I know they even have, I think, like certifications and different courses or classes you can take in AI, but but I strictly approach it from a pure hobbyist perspective. I I know basically the tools available to most people and then I just um, play with them, um and test them out in different ways. And I, you know, every time there's an article in like the general news about AI, um, I'll read it. So I'm up to date on kind of broad general knowledge of what's going on. Like you know the whole chat, gpt-5 coming out and that being a kind of disaster, and then everyone complaining about the cadence of it and wanting to get the 4.0 or 4.0 model back and all that.
Speaker 1:So but, yeah, I did hear one commentary on that. That. That was basically just remember. Anytime something new comes out, there's going to be voices that shout very loud about how disappointed they are because they really wanted new, plus, plus, plus. And I'm like well, here we are, you know, living in a time and living in a country where we have access to so many of these tools and we complain when the airplane that's going to take us across the country is late, like okay, but you're still getting in a cylinder and you're flying across the country. I think it's the same with AI as well.
Speaker 1:Just thinking back over the last couple of weeks and the things you maybe have done personally, have you found anything new that you're like oh, this is really cool. I didn't know that, did this? I, for example, I found that it's even chat GBTs. Um, pickup of handwritten medical records was pretty good, like I was. I was, I thought it would be at zero, but not true. Yeah, most medical records are, you know, digitally produced, and so they're, you know they're, they're typed, but we still come across like physician forms and stuff for insurance companies, and reading the handwriting is pretty cool. I was surprised by that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, have you seen anything that's like blew you away.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, you know what's really been um mind blowing or interesting is all the new um video making, ai tools where where you tools, where it'll generate so many seconds of video based on a prompt or whatnot and I know it's still kind of early stages for that, but I know it's going to get better and longer where pretty soon you'll be able to make like full-length movies just by typing in prompts or you'll make you know, but the video creation seems pretty.
Speaker 1:I was kind of blown away by by when that all those tools started coming out yeah, that's not something I've I've played in much, but I and I know that it's out there. But I did hear a story like there's a netflix production down in argentina and in the, the film or the series included a building collapse that they never would have been able to have in any way shape. Argentina, and in the film or the series included a building collapse that they never would have been able to have in any way shape or form in the past. The entire scene was AI produced and it was pretty good. But the teaching point from that video was that, wow, now we can do some things that were just economically impossible before.
Speaker 1:So the translation in law because we're always many of us are looking for ways like how do we help someone who maybe can't afford a lawyer right, or who live in a rural part of Virginia and don't have access don't have ready access to lawyers Like, is there a way that we could do things that are maybe a little bit outside of our box, but today, because of AI, we could do it to a reasonably good level of proficiency? You don't want to mess things up entirely, but it's allowing us, just on a time basis, to be able to help more people and I'm wondering in medicine, outside of the pure science and I had heard some of the stuff about radiology and imaging AI look at any images but have you seen any of the entrepreneurial physicians using AI not just for the delivery of healthcare but in some cool entrepreneurial way I'm trying to see it could be marketing, it could be communication with current clients, getting more referrals dealing with referral doctors.
Speaker 2:Referring docs, yeah, I mean, I don't know them personally, but I've considered starting maybe a possible another business, medical, medical related business and I was looking into, kind of looking at different billing companies, which is comics, oh, and there's like a physician started this billing company. That's all ai power that that is supposed to like reduce, uh, your reimbursement from months to like days or weeks and it'll do all the scrubbing and submitting and all that, so just kind of taking over a whole the billing department basically using AI. I haven't used them but yeah, that's one area that seemed interesting to me.
Speaker 1:I'll work on this one with you is I think many physician practices have one or more humans that are just dealing with insurance company outright denials of claims and oftentimes we find the physician group kind of doing a first level appeal. But you really actually have to know some legal stuff and I think you have to know the plan documents and stuff like that to actually do that properly. But I'll bet you there's a lot of money in the float right. Doctor provides care, insurance company screwing people and saying no, but there's no human being involved on their side either. And now there's this friction where doctor I think at the first level is trying to justify the care to get the thing approved.
Speaker 1:And I have heard of some folks sort of playing in that space Like how could we do? How could we on the healthcare side do a better, quicker job at a lower cost than having human beings filling out insurance company appeal forms? So that might be a space if you haven't seen or heard of that like it's out there, and that would be a huge benefit, I think, to a lot of practices. Because I just got to imagine there's billions of dollars in the float there just waiting to get paid.
Speaker 2:I know a lot of colleagues that have used generative AI, chat, gpt to write letters of medical necessity or appeals to insurance companies. But on the flip side, I've also heard that insurance companies have gotten smart and they've started to use ai to help deny more uh procedures and whatnot uh. So so it's kind of a arms race between the doctors and the insurance companies, both using ai to kind of battle each other it's an arm race because there's so much money involved and you know so.
Speaker 1:in the space where Ben plays in, which is ERISA, which is meaning if the plan is through your patient's employer, most of the time it's government, it's federal law of ERISA. And the space I play is in the long-term disability side of that. But in the medical side there's so many regulations and I guarantee you the insurance company cannot keep up with what they're supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1:So whoever figures that, like how to you know? The business would be called how to drive an insurance company crazy so that they deny the next guy, but not my patients. I'll give you another idea. I like to ponder as we're closing out here um, what are you? I'm curious, what are you doing with your time now? Um, in your uh, whatever you called uh, currently you've retired. Is what? Uh, what I saw, which is a great way to phrase it because it means, hey, I'm open to opportunities to do something, but I'm curious, always curious, what entrepreneurs are doing.
Speaker 2:For sure. Yeah, because I retired actually a couple of years ago. But I didn't retire to anything, I didn't have a plan. So I went from running a hundred miles per hour to just sitting at home doing nothing. I definitely kind of almost got mildly depressed at that point. So I I took like a full-time job at the VA, just to not that I needed to, just to fill my time. But but the second time I retired so the current currently where I'm at I had a much better plan. So I, when I retired, that time I got involved in a bunch of volunteer activities.
Speaker 2:So I volunteer at the local community clinic multiple times a month. I even have like my own patient panel just to kind of keep up with my medical skills. I still maintain my board certification, even though I don't get paid to volunteer there. I'm also part of this entrepreneurial organization. I don't know if you've ever heard of it, it's called SCORE. It's a national organization that is kind of a quasi-government organization. We provide business mentoring. So I help mentor other business owners, whether they are just starting a business or they've been in business, and I'll coach them or mentor them and that fills up a lot. I'm the chair of my local chapter. So by itself I'm probably dedicating over 20 hours a week to that, so it's like a part-time job there.
Speaker 1:I mean, look, that's highly valuable, right, Because so many people are good at something and they start a business, but the thing that they're not very good at is running the business actually. So they can make you know, michael Gerber, they can make pies and they want to start a bakery. And so you're, you're into that. That's cool, that's very I think that's. That's something to go towards.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. And, like I mentioned or alluded to, I have been contemplating starting a different business, you know, being like the medical director of nursing homes and going in and seeing patients there. I haven't quite decided if I want to pursue that or not, or I have that's kind of on the back burner. I may even politics is not out of the question yet. I'm in a meeting, go, okay, I'll be there in a second. It's all good, my friend. Yeah, yeah, that's what you when I have a five-year-old or actually four-year-old she'll be five in a couple of weeks, but but, and so I may decide to run for a different office here in the near future, next year or whatnot.
Speaker 1:So it's good to have interesting things, and you got, I think, two little ones. So so that's all. Look, I can't wait to meet you in March. I'll make sure I know when your session is so I can sit in and hear what is it in March of 2026 that people are using AI for? Yeah, andrew Roberts, look, thanks for carving out some time today. It's been great to talk to you, sir, you as well, and I'll see you in March. That's it for today's episode of the Renegade Lawyer Podcast, where we're rewriting the rules of what it means to build a great law practice and a great life. If something here sparked a new idea or gave you clarity, pass it on, subscribe, leave a review and share this with a lawyer who's ready to think bigger. Want more tools, strategies and stories from the trenches? Visit greatlegalmarketingcom or connect with me, ben Glass and the team, on LinkedIn. Keep building boldly. We'll see you next time.
