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I am more convinced than ever that nothing that traditional bar organizations are doing is going to move the needle on the sad stats on lawyer happiness ...
The root cause of all lawyers' problems is financial stress. Financial stress holds you back from getting the right people on the bus, running the right systems, and being able to only do work for clients you want to work with. Financial stress keeps you in the office on nights and weekends, often doing work you hate for people you don't like, and doing that work alone.
(Yes, you have permission to do only work you like doing and doing it with people you like working with.)
The money stress is not because the lawyers are bad lawyers or bad people. In fact, most lawyers are good at the lawyering part and they are good people.
The money stress is caused by the general lack of both business skills and an entrepreneurial mindset.
Thus, good lawyers who are good people get caught up and slowed down in bringing their gifts to the world. Their families, teams, clients, and communities are not well-served because you can't serve others at your top level when you are constantly worrying about money.
We can blame the law schools and the elites of the profession who are running bar organizations, but to blame anyone else for your own woes is a loser's game. It is, in itself, a restrictive, narrow, mindset that will keep you from ever seeing, let alone experiencing, a better future.
Lawyers need to be in rooms with other entrepreneurs. They need to hang with people who won't tell you that your dreams are too big or that "they" or "the system "won't allow you to achieve them. They need to be in rooms where people will be in their ear telling them that their dreams are too small.
Get in better rooms. That would be the first step.
Second step, ignore every piece of advice any general organized bar is giving about how to make your firm or your life better.
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Ep. 177 - Creating Space for Clarity: A Conversation with Mindset Coach Kayleigh Kennedy
In this episode, Ben Glass sits down with mindset and performance coach Kayleigh Kennedy, fresh off her visit to our in-person Hero Mastermind event.
Kayleigh helps business owners—including lawyers—break free from burnout, reconnect with their purpose, and finally build a life that truly serves them. Together, she and Ben explore:
- Why most high-achieving professionals have no idea who they are
- The power of giving yourself permission to rest, reset, and rethink the game
- How burnout creeps in—and what intentional recovery looks like
- The journaling techniques, nervous system rewiring, and small daily wins that create transformational change
- Why insights don’t happen at your desk—and what to do about it
Whether you’re a lawyer chasing the next million-dollar case, or just someone who feels “off” and doesn’t know why—this conversation is your invitation to pause and realign.
🧠 Learn more about Kayleigh at kayleighkennedy.com or find her on LinkedIn.
Ben Glass is a nationally recognized personal injury and long-term disability insurance attorney in Fairfax, VA. Since 2005, Ben Glass and Great Legal Marketing have been helping solo and small firm lawyers make more money, get more clients and still get home in time for dinner. We call this TheGLMTribe.com
What Makes The GLM Tribe Special?
In short, we are the only organization within the "business builder for lawyers" space that is led by two practicing lawyers.
One thing we're sure you've noticed is that despite the variety of options within our space, no one else is mixing
the actual practice of law with business building in the way that we are.
There are no other organizations who understand the highs and lows of running a small law firm and are engaged in talking to real clients. That is what sets GLM apart from every other organization, and it is why we have had loyal members that have been with us for two-decades.
Welcome to the Renegade Lawyer Podcast, where we don't just practice law, we rethink the whole damn game. I'm Ben Glass, attorney, entrepreneur, coach and dad to nine. For over 40 years I've battled insurance companies and built a law firm that stands for something bigger. This show is for lawyers, the creators, the thinkers, those who believe your practice can be your platform for doing good, making money and still making it home for dinner. Every week we bring you real conversations with people who've challenged the status quo, built great lives and have something powerful to teach you. If you're ready to stop playing small, let's go. Hey everyone, this is Ben.
Speaker 1:Welcome back to the Renegade Lawyer Podcast. We've had a lot of different episodes going on. Recently, we made the audio version of Renegade Lawyer Marketing available. We're, of course, promoting the summit, but today we're going to do what I like to do best, which is talking to someone who's inside or outside the legal profession, who's dinging the world, and I've got Kaylee Kennedy and Kaylee I just met a few weeks ago. She was a part of our in-person mastermind group, our hero mastermind group. She came down with Catherine Shearer, who's a fantastic attorney up in Ontario, and Kaylee is Catherine's coach, and I don't know. I want to hear more of this story, kaylee, because you guys drove from Ontario to Northern Virginia and so you must be really good friends, like not just coach client relationship, because you got in a car and you came all the way down and turn around and drove all the way back.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:And Kaylee helps entrepreneurs and small biz owners, including lawyers, how to grow, scale and create more time in their business and their life and create financial freedom. She's a mentor and she's, by background, also a sales trainer, so that's interesting. And then she had a really interesting post on LinkedIn that we're going to talk about. So I see you made it safely back to Canada, so that's great.
Speaker 2:We did, and Catherine got an extra one-on-one session, so it was a win-win.
Speaker 1:That could be, yeah, depending on the direction of that one-on-one session.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely, but it was really great to meet you and you had some great input at our meeting. So, for those who don't know, we have two in-person mastermind groups our Hero Group and our Icon Group. Hero Group is primarily lawyers who are trying to get through seven figures running small firms. Catherine is a little bit of an anomaly because she's working inside of this big firm up in Ontario, a personal injury lawyer and long-term disability attorney, and so, and you know, we go around the room, we solve problems, we share wins and losses and highs and lows, and you kind of do that on a on a, I guess, a daily basis with your clients. So let's just talk a little bit, kaylee, about the space of coaching, because, honestly, we are all pitched every single day by either marketing coaches or business coaches or mindset coaches. But I'm curious. I really was impressed by your insights and the questions you asked, also during the meeting. So tell us a little bit about how you got to where you are and what you're actually doing today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely. So I'm not going to do the whole story. I'll do the Cole's Notes version, as I like to call it, because it was quite the journey to get here. But when I was pregnant with my son so actually six years ago to this month I invested in my first mindset coach, not really knowing what a mindset coach was. To be perfectly honest, I knew people who'd worked with this mentor, whose lives were just changing and I was at a point in my life where I was working kind of corporate nine to five, not very fulfilled, not thriving financially actually the opposite of thriving financially and just knew that's not really where I wanted to start my family. So I took a huge, huge risk and took, you know, made a pretty significant financial investment into myself and my mindset.
Speaker 2:And that's when my life really started to change, and not so much from a business standpoint at first, because I actually didn't have a business when I first made the investment, but just in figuring out who I am and what my purpose is and what I want to do and kind of what I'm here on this earth to do. And the really interesting part about that is it's something that I didn't learn for over 30 years. But I meet people in different stages of their lives who it's not something we're taught and it's something that I feel like it should be very intuitive to knowing who we are. But it's not, we're not our name, we're not our profession, and I think so many people go through their lives identifying with that. So what this work really allowed me to do is create well, discover and create my own identity based on what I wanted and what I wanted to achieve and how I wanted to show up as a mom. And through that journey I started to really thrive and make massive changes in my personal life.
Speaker 2:I used to be a very anxious person, low self-confidence, and I started to really thrive, especially during COVID with a newborn baby, which wasn't the norm. So this is when I realized there's something here with this mindset stuff. I ended up actually working for that coach and then another coach for a couple years, and that's when I discovered that coaching is what I meant to do. It just it, it really it feels so natural to me because of the shifts that I've made, but also what I've learned about how little we know about ourselves. So when I work with with clients and I do work with entrepreneurs. Yes, I help them with their business, but what I really help them with is is actually figure out who they are and what lights them up so they can do more of that and bring more of that energy into their business. And that's when you know things seem to, they say they flow, or you know you're achieving your goals with more ease, or you start to build that a new, a whole new level of belief in what's actually possible.
Speaker 1:The deep, dark secret of, and the reason that great legal marketing has been around for over 20 years now is that, while lawyers frequently come to us because they want to quote, make more money, get more cases uh, it's like the two biggest things. The reality is, you know, there's only seven different basic ways maybe to do that, and the reason that you and you saw some folks in the room that have been to us a long time, the reason they stick, is because of this topic. It is, um, either, you know, call it the mindset work or the inner work, but it's. I think what we have done and I think you've discovered this for yourself is we've given adults who are hard charging achievers right permission to stop, halt for a little bit and to do some work on what do I really really want to get out of the finite number of days I have on earth, not knowing how many of those days we actually have, but believing that I am here to be happy, like that's the primary and that's the thread.
Speaker 1:I think that keeps our longest, long-term members, because they know how to market, they can figure out the business stuff, but if they don't give themselves permission and they're not open to the thinking of, oh my gosh, I really can create something and create a universe of people around me that will help me be happy, then it's really hard. It doesn't matter how much marketing you learn. And it sounds like you discovered that the way you were describing yourself, and I don't know how you found or discovered your first mindset mentor, and then you said you made a investment in yourself. Do you remember, like, do you remember how you even discovered that such a thing was out there?
Speaker 2:It was recommended to me by someone I knew who I trusted, and I saw that their life changed really fast. So it was one of those things because, probably two or three years prior, I actually know someone who I used to work with I past life. I used to bartend for about 10, 12 years before I started doing corporate PR and marketing, and one of the girls I used to bartend with became a life coach and I actually remember being like what is that and who would hire a life coach? I remember thinking these things. Now I also remember that that phase of me was also the person who would turn around running from the self-help section of the bookstore, whereas now that's the first place I go, because I actually needed that work more than I thought I did. But I feel like I had so much ignorance to what coaching was or what even personal development was, and it wasn't until I actually saw someone that I know and trust change that I thought, okay, maybe there is something there and I was seeking that. I didn't even know I was seeking it, but I was really seeking it. And I think the interesting thing too is I talk about this a lot with my clients.
Speaker 2:I call it the Christmas dinner scenario, because when you're talking about change I think you know Christmas for most people you're sitting around the table with the same people. Sometimes you don't see those people until the next Christmas right, you're there every year. And when you really think about that table, how much have the people at that table really changed? And if I think of my Christmas table, love my family to death. They don't really change and grow significantly year over year. So when I think of seeing someone change, that was out of the normal. I'd never seen someone that I know change. You see it in the movies or on social media now, but someone that you actually know have this significant change within a year. That was when I got really curious, because I didn't really know it at the time, but I was seeking that. That's what my heart desired is that change?
Speaker 2:Because I was in this hamster wheel of counting down the minutes till Friday afternoon, dreading Monday, always more month than money, and all of that fun stuff. That hamster wheel that I think a lot of people find themselves on, because we don't really know how to go inward and take that time to think I actually have a book behind, one of the books that I have behind me is Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill, which I'm sure you've read and studied. It's not called Work and Grow Rich, it's called Think and Grow Rich.
Speaker 2:But we're not taught to think, and that's where you know when you're talking about your vast brain. That's what you're doing, is you're giving people the permission to stop and think, and in the world that we live in, it's not really let's get my train of thought back here we're not taught how to make those pauses. We're taught to go, go, go, like the hustle and the grind and the you know, the high performance, high achievers. Hustle and grind is kind of that's the expectation of, that's how I achieve that goal. But it's actually in the pauses and taking that time to do that deep work and that thinking work where the magic happens.
Speaker 1:Well, right, and if you look on LinkedIn, you see everyone is hustling and achieving and having a great life, with a picture taken in front of a boat and they're working 60 hours a week. It's not great. So one of the things that you talk about in talking to my coach we talk about achieving sort of different levels of consciousness, and your observation about the group around the Christmas table is exactly right is that most human beings will never sort of raise more than one or two levels of consciousness, self-awareness, right in their lifetime. And you know, it's not to say that they're bad people, but once you and I'll say this too I think a barrier gets back to the permission thing Like who am I to take a leadership position to ding the world, which is what this podcast is about?
Speaker 1:Who am I to get better? I'm already. I have a cool job, I make money with my brain, my life is relatively easy, physically right. Who am I to go and invest money in myself to get better? And yet our view is the world needs people like us and the world needs people like you. And there's so much goodness, I think, kaylee, to be unlocked in.
Speaker 1:So many leaders who are obviously smart, got through schooling and schooling they know whatever their occupation is, they know how to do the occupation, and yet there's so much more if we give them permission to really unleash, and so I think that's for me that's been the biggest thing. It's like it's okay to do this work right, because I don't know, most people don't have. They may have a therapist, they don't really have a coach or a mindset coach or a life coach, and it's kind of like there's only a certain circle of community that you can go around talking about the time and money you spend with your life coach or your mindset coach, because that sounds weird if you're not in that circle. I'm curious what are you seeing today with your clients? I know you have all different kinds, all different types and different businesses and different ages, but what are you seeing as some of the major unlocks that you and they are able to achieve? What's the barrier? And then what are you doing to help them achieve unlock?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I love this question because I'm actually going to use some some examples from actually coaching calls this week with my clients. It's a new attitude, it's unlocking a new attitude and I can talk a lot about this. Actually, I'm doing a corporate presentation right after this, talking about talking about attitudes. This is a great question, but it's the attitude at the beginning of tasks which can really dictate how that task goes. So, for an example, we had a long weekend here in Canada. This past weekend is our civic holiday weekend.
Speaker 2:So one of my clients shared on Tuesday one of the biggest shifts was she went into work Tuesday morning like knowing that the inbox would have exploded, knowing that you know there's going to be all of this work to do, but calm, with a calm energy. And when I asked her well, how was it in July and this is a brand new client, she's only been working with me for a month she said oh, the July holiday was completely different. I came in with I was expecting chaos. It didn't go very well. And then I asked her well, how's today going, Because this was a Tuesday call, she said it's going great. The number of emails was the same, All of the work, everything outside of her was the same, but she was different Because she unlocked this new attitude about circumstances, about herself and circumstances and how to deal with.
Speaker 2:Well, the things that are going to happen in life and business and we have a choice every day to choose our attitude are going to happen like in life and business right, and we have a choice every day to choose our attitude. But without doing the inner work, we tend to let everything outside of us dictate our attitude. So it's really learning how to just unlock a new level of attitude and nothing really has to change except for that. And then everything changes and you start to kind of get addicted to the new attitude and the calmness and peace and the work's still there. We're talking about a LinkedIn post that I did about burning out, and that's another thing that I really support.
Speaker 2:A lot of my clients is not going to burn out and being able to catch before you get to burnout and knowing what tools or what do you need to do so you don't move full into burnout, and I find that that is another big thing, and attitude has a lot to do with that too. But it also is the permission to rest. We're not really taught that it's okay If you're busy, is it okay to take a day off, Is it okay to tackle the to-do list, to take a breather in the morning instead of just getting right to work. It's this idea of it's essentially reprogramming. It's reprogramming your habits, it's reprogramming your identity and how you show up, but it's giving yourself permission to take that rest so you can actually tackle what you need to tackle with a whole new attitude.
Speaker 1:So the older I get, the more I'm figuring this out because I'm a slow learner. But the older you get, like the sort of the less physical stamina you have and, frankly, the cognitive stamina is also there's a limit. But programming in the breaks which, when you're younger, you do have more energy and you do have this ability to work and work and work, and work and work and still feel kind of good most of the time, most of the time. But I liked your LinkedIn post because it was like July was I ran around a lot at business, I travel, vacations, all this, and then in August I'm building in these breaks and what I would want people to listen to and to consider deeply is that your insights, especially if you're a business leader, like your insights into your business, they don't come in a meeting and they don't come when you are sitting down at your desk answering your email or creating the next marketing piece.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's not when insights come. Insights come when you're in the shower. Insights come when you're on the bike, when you sitting at a computer right, working on my business, but I'm going to be deliberately doing something else, usually physical, sometimes absolute rest, and that's where insights come and it's okay to then capture it, but don't go and work on it, right? Yeah, and that's it. But that's a training and it is. It is kind of contra everything else you think you know about what it takes to run a business or to be an important person in a business, even if you're not running the business I had to reprogram myself to not feel lazy when I was taking a rest, because that was the old programming.
Speaker 2:Right Is to take those breaks and to take those pauses when you have things to do. That's lazy. That was the old idea. So I really had to reprogram my belief system to believe that rest was productive, and now it is. I've already had a better August than I did July and we're on day seven. That's intentional.
Speaker 1:I think you're reprogramming also your nervous system. It's so interesting, kaylee, because I can go maybe three days. A couple years ago I went to a friend's condo it was just me For three days. I took my bike, I was preparing for a conference, and I thought this, thought this could be the greatest thing ever, like I have all this time just to think and blah, blah, blah. And you know, on day two and a half I'm itchy Like it's. My nervous system is like what are you doing? Like you're just hanging out and riding your bike and walking on the beach and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:So there's a real sort of innate sort of DNA that's built in and then reinforced by society. Let me ask you this what are some? Do you have some examples of either like exercises or Q&A you can have with yourself? You know I showed that book at the mastermind meeting. That was really a prompt book, for it really, for me, caused me to sit with a pen and just think and the questions about life and business and stuff. But what are some of the techniques or strategies you have found successful with either yourself personally, kaylee, or your some of your clients?
Speaker 2:I love this because it's it's getting really aware of what are. What are the things that energize me or what are the things that that really that I feel really good doing. So I'll have people write down a list and it's different for everyone because we're all different people, right? I like to say personal development isn't a one size fits all. What works for me might not work for you, but I'm going to give you a whole bunch of tools that you're going to build the self-awareness so you know what will work for you. And so it's just basically taking the time and writing a list of what are all the things that I love to do. It can be in business and outside of business.
Speaker 2:So things for me I love being in nature, I love going to the beach, I love going for a walk. I love playing with my kids to an extent listening to music Sometimes I need music, I need classical music and sometimes you know I need some. 90s alternative is usually what I go to or classic rock are two of my go-to. But it's learning what you need. So I'll just have people write down a whole list of all of the things they like to do and then starting to become aware of how can I piece these things in my day to day. So not all of you're not going to do all of the things every day, but if it's a walk, for example, can you take five minutes in the middle of your day and just go for a walk around the block so you're outside, you're getting some fresh air. For I have a lot of my clients like, like yoga. Okay, well, is there somewhere where you can just do you, you know, a five minute like sun salutation or yoga flow or something to get movement, something that you like to do, so you can build these into your day to day. It can be meditate meditation is one for me or when I'm doing the work that I, you know I have to do. That isn't my favorite. It isn't the things that absolutely light me up. I make sure I'm listening to music or I have something that's kind of stimulating. That because you said something really interesting about our nervous system and I'm learning more and more about this.
Speaker 2:Our nervous system actually takes a shape, it actually forms, and when we're trying to shift those beliefs, we're essentially trying to reform and reshape our nervous system so it's actually can be physically uncomfortable, and that's what I've been dealing with this year, even doing some healing work, with some trauma that I experienced, learning where actually there's a physical shape, that my body is taken because of this and to, for example, I work with a somatic therapist and she said yesterday to me your posture changed. Yes, and I go to therapy in the middle of a week you know there's no on a Wednesday afternoon. Why not, right, give myself permission to do those things. But she said your posture's changed because you're, you're, you actually have a shape.
Speaker 2:So the things that bring you joy, and when you're, you can tap into those more and more you actually reshape and you, you basically create safety in your nervous system because those are the things that bring you joy. So it's being able to sprinkle them in from your day to day and it's not, like I always say to people start small, like, become aware of these things, don't try to go do them all at once, because then you're going to completely shock your system. It's starting small and just building on these new habits, because for many people, especially here in North America, rest is not considered productive. So even just that shift in itself of taking. I have a to-do list that's three pages long and you want me to meditate for 10 minutes in my day. That in itself is really challenging for people to do.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't know if you're familiar with Mel Robbins' work and book Let them, but one of the again a block or a barrier for people is thinking what will they think? As though the rest of the world is actually watching you all the time, judging you all the time and gives a shit about what you're doing all the time. And the reality is we think we're a lot more noticeable to other people than we are, but we're really not, and so you know, the exercise that I have found very helpful whether it's business development or creating this list of things you like to do, or the opposite, which is the things you don't like to do is create the list first little birdie on your shoulder that says you can't do that, you're not good enough, you don't know enough people, you don't have enough money or no one will do it this way for you or with you. And put all of those objections to the side and this is the value of a coach, of somebody like you, because no one else is out, you know, no other friend or, oftentimes, life partner or spouse is telling you go do this. I give you permission to create in your own list of all the most fantastic life you can imagine without restrictions. I give you that permission. No one in your life is telling you to do that, except somebody like you. And the thing that I've worked on for many years with my coach is really just setting this intent and getting it clear on what does that look like, even if you cannot, like ever imagine achieving it.
Speaker 1:For example, the room that you were in, I think I told you like that was a vision. That training center we had was a vision from another entrepreneur, I know, years ago when I was in her space. I'm like holy cow, like this is really cool, I want this. I have no idea how, when, if, like what it would look like any of that stuff, but created a very clear intention and so and we talked about too, like okay, there's a list where I really like doing. And then there's what do I not like doing? Like what maybe needs to get done in the business, but not giving me any energy and knowing that there's somebody else out there in the world, kaylee, that that thing would energize them. We think how could anybody be energized by this? Yeah, like no, they are. Yeah, and there's someone. You only got to find one usually, and so that's again, this all gets back to permission that we give ourselves and again, what a good coach like you would do is reinforce that. Yeah, you deserve this permission. I'm giving you permission to do this.
Speaker 1:That's kind of a long little monologue, but you are right, this is so critically important and, you know, oftentimes we think about this when somebody passes away. Suddenly you know who is near to us. That's when people start to think about geez, I better like, my life is miserable. I need to fix it. I am curious, like so you did so you wrote this LinkedIn post that began with I am, I can feel it, I'm teetering on burnout. And then you created something and I'll just read it here you can comment. So this month including, you know, being the next month, or August weekends with zero plans, space to breathe, therapy, self-care and journaling, a full week off at the end with my family. So tell me about your journaling habit or exercise or experience, because I have years and years. I've told my kids. I've left them plenty of material for my funeral.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah what about you is this? Have you always journaled or are you new?
Speaker 2:to this journaling. So when I was in high school and in therapy, my therapist always had me journal and I always avoided it. So it wasn't until I made the shift in mindset of even kind of what to journal. Because I think if I think back to teenage kaylee, journaling about all the hard things and, you know, doesn't feel good. So it's flipping the switch and starting to again think and journal about well, what do I want? How do I want this to feel? So I have a couple different kind of routines in my journaling, but typically it's a lot of reflection, a lot of self-reflection and a lot of intention setting. So I'll journal.
Speaker 2:I do one of my favorite we're actually talking about this on on my client mastermind today, but one of my clients really loves using it. I call it future memory journal. So you write something. That's that is in that you know what do I want. You write something as if it's already happened and you start to bring in that feeling. So how did it feel that I've achieved this goal and it could be goal that you have no idea how you're going to achieve. But you start building that image through writing and for me I need to write. I like to say I'm visualizationally challenged. I can meditate. There's certain places where I can actually form a clear mental image when I close my eyes, but mostly it's black. So for me I have to write to really spark that feeling and what a lot of people can get with visualization. So I'll do future memory writing about certain goals, and this can be personal and professional. I did a lot of this when my son was sick, talking about writing about how all of the experiences that we are going to have at the other end right, and when everything works out the way that we want to work out. I've also had people you know whether it's the personal or the professional goals say but what if it doesn't? Well, why would I think about that until that's the reality? And I like to really remind people that it's a choice. You can choose to go to the positive and you can choose to write about what you want or you can choose to continue to focus on what you don't want and what maybe you are getting.
Speaker 2:So I do the future memory journaling a lot of self-reflection, a lot of gratitude, but for me, gratitude is it used to be. I'm going to write 10 things I'm grateful for and then, oh, I did my gratitude today, check it off the list, and now it's like sometimes I'm writing my gratitude, ben, and I start to cry, like I actually like have such emotion, and I also have moments. It's usually with my kids. Where I can, I can just put myself in that state of gratitude, so I don't even need to write it anymore, but it's creating that state. So gratitude is one Again. These are all since I started doing the mindset work and really built that self awareness.
Speaker 2:The other one that I love to do is every night before I go to bed, I write down three things that I want to acknowledge myself for. So I celebrate every single day three wins, at least three wins. Now, how do you find wins every day? Well, you start to find them. So I think we have this habit of thinking a win needs to be this milestone or this accolade, or this big thing, or a sale, or the case going the way you want it to go. Sometimes it can be like yesterday I went for a walk in nature and I left my phone in the car and that was a huge win, because I typically would bring my phone and I just got to have that peace and that sense. And then I also closed a sale, so it's like there's another one, but it's finding the wins in every day and starting to acknowledge yourself.
Speaker 2:Then I like to reflect on where did I lose control or what didn't go the way that I want it to go today, and how can I do that better.
Speaker 2:So sometimes that question is just simply, did I give my best today? And what I love about that question is I used to be someone who used to beat myself up a lot. So now, with answering that question and being really reflective, I can know where I need to give myself more grace or where I maybe let myself off the hook and how can I just improve that a little bit tomorrow. And it's setting that intention not to wake up tomorrow and be a completely different person. But what's that? 1% better? Or just with that awareness? Okay, with this awareness, this is where maybe it didn't go the way that I wanted it to go. Okay, if this happens again tomorrow, this is what I'll do differently, this is what I'll think differently, this is how I'll show up differently, and it's through just compounding those habits that you get a really big change. So I have a cabinet right here in my office that's filled with old journals.
Speaker 2:So I'm the same with you.
Speaker 1:Do you go?
Speaker 1:back to read. Do you go back to read Sometimes? Sometimes, yeah, it's really fascinating. It's really really fascinating to go back a year, five years ago. What were we working on? What problems did we have? What gratitude did we have? I would tell you that and I don't do it every week, but that is an interesting journey too and then I share it with oftentimes, share it with Sandy, my wife, go. Hey, this is what we were working on five years ago and we thought this was an unsolvable problem.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you know, we have nine kids, four adopted from China, two came from some pretty hard orphanages in the early beginning. So you're talking about neural rewiring. We had to go and learn all this brain science just to figure out how to parent these children, and through some really, really hard, dark times, for sure. But that's where I first learned this whole thing about like you can reset the wiring and you can reset the wiring in yourself. So I do have a. I have a challenge for you you might just want to think about.
Speaker 1:One of the things I try to do is, in the day, like every single person that I come across, I try to make them smile or talk to me, right. So if you're going through TSA, you're in the line of the grocery store, whatever, like just making sure you acknowledge that person. Oftentimes they've got a name badge on with a first name, asking them a genuinely curious question, listening to the answer and then asking them another question about themselves not talking about you, right. In terms of the endorphin rush that, for me personally, I get from that, it is a huge lift. It is a little thing, it takes seconds or a minute to do, but it's one thing you could experiment with, because we all have these opportunities, I think, to lift the world a little bit. Like we're not going to like bad words, bad politics, bad weather, like that's the evening news, right, but in our local, right around where we are, we have this tremendous ability, I believe, to dink, to dink.
Speaker 2:I call that going the extra mile and just leaving everyone better than you found them Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I love that and it's interesting. I actually you reminded me of a situation. This was a couple of years ago. I was traveling, I was uh, it's chaos in the airport which we've all experienced and I was, you know, patiently waiting in line and and I could tell that they were the flight attendants were under under, there was one woman like trying to coordinate all of these people and I could just, I could just see the stress rising. So finally it was my time to go up and I just said to her, I made eye contact and I said to her I just want to let you know that I'm watching you and you're doing it, you're doing a great job. And she looked at me and she, she took a then so she stopped, she breathed and she said thank you. And in that moment, that one breath and this is why I'm bringing it up that one breath helped her reset. But if she just kept like it, almost giving her that permission to breathe, so where can we do that more for people? I traveled years ago.
Speaker 2:My dad actually used to live in Moscow and I have a picture and it can be pretty grim over there. You in Moscow and I have a picture and it was. It can be pretty grim over there. You know, and I have a picture and everyone it's a colored picture everyone's gray and I'm wearing this bright blue jacket and I often think about that. It's like how can you be that bright blue jacket to someone's day, so smiling at someone, making eye contact. I find that those little things that seeming to be little, actually make the biggest impact and I believe, as humans are inherent, we have, we are inherent purpose as humans is to serve. So I don't know anyone who feels worse after they've made someone's day right, those are magic words, folks.
Speaker 1:You should listen to that again, which is I've been watching you and you're doing a great job. And you know again, you know we. We run into servers at restaurants and we went to the escape room. I think you went out that night, but we took the group out to the escape room. There's young'uns, early twenties, late teens, running the place and, yeah, you watch him, we go. Hey, I just want to let you know like you're really good at your job. This is very cool. Talk to us a little bit as we get ready to close here. Like, what is it like working for you? Are you only talking to women, men? Like, who's your favorite? Who's your avatar, right? And what are some of the offerings and the ways that people could have to want to reach out to you to work with you?
Speaker 2:Absolutely. Thanks for asking, ben. I work with both men and women. I do tend to attract more women because, being a female, but I do work with both. There's a couple different ways.
Speaker 2:I do like a weekly mastermind, where I just bring business owners and entrepreneurs together to basically ask for support in any area of your life. So today, for example, we talked about money mindset, we talked about avoiding burnout and we spoke about sales. So it can be mindset or business related, because I really do believe it's holistic. I have a mindset mentorship program where I work with people in six months period. So this is a group mentorship where I really help them develop a deeper level of self-awareness so that they can start changing their belief system from the inside out, so starting to learn more about how our beliefs are formed, understanding our self-perception and our self-concept that we've maybe accepted about ourselves, so that we can start to change that. And I like to say, align the beliefs and the behaviors with the goal. So it all starts with goal setting.
Speaker 2:I also do. I work with people one-on-one. I do like vision intensive. So I find, just like we were saying, a lot of people don't make that space to even start to think and dream. So I give people that space and support them in getting really clear on what that looks like. I do sales trainings, I do team trainings, I do keynote speaking, so I'm kind of all over the place, but I love it. It energizes me. So I do a mix of kind of group, one-on-one in person, and then anything that I do offer in person I also can do online too, because technology is friend and foe but it does remove lots of barriers.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and is the best website or is the best way? Linkedin how can people go find out more about you?
Speaker 2:Website's great. I'm actually doing a complete website overhaul, so if you give me a month it'll be even better, but it's kayleefinitycom or LinkedIn's perfect. I'm quite active on social media and always in my DMs, so people can send me a message and I'm you know. I love to just have conversations and see how I can support people.
Speaker 1:A-Y-L-E-I-G-H. I'm sure there's more than one way to spell Kaylee. Well, look, my friend, look, it was great to meet you. I'm glad that you had a great time in the Washington DC area. I saw you had some photos, I think, down at the mall in DC. Thanks for taking care of my friend Catherine, and hopefully we'll get to meet in person again sometime soon.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'd love that Ben.
Speaker 1:Thanks for being a great guest today.
Speaker 2:Thank you for having me.
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