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The Renegade Lawyer Podcast
I am more convinced than ever that nothing that traditional bar organizations are doing is going to move the needle on the sad stats on lawyer happiness ...
The root cause of all lawyers' problems is financial stress. Financial stress holds you back from getting the right people on the bus, running the right systems, and being able to only do work for clients you want to work with. Financial stress keeps you in the office on nights and weekends, often doing work you hate for people you don't like, and doing that work alone.
(Yes, you have permission to do only work you like doing and doing it with people you like working with.)
The money stress is not because the lawyers are bad lawyers or bad people. In fact, most lawyers are good at the lawyering part and they are good people.
The money stress is caused by the general lack of both business skills and an entrepreneurial mindset.
Thus, good lawyers who are good people get caught up and slowed down in bringing their gifts to the world. Their families, teams, clients, and communities are not well-served because you can't serve others at your top level when you are constantly worrying about money.
We can blame the law schools and the elites of the profession who are running bar organizations, but to blame anyone else for your own woes is a loser's game. It is, in itself, a restrictive, narrow, mindset that will keep you from ever seeing, let alone experiencing, a better future.
Lawyers need to be in rooms with other entrepreneurs. They need to hang with people who won't tell you that your dreams are too big or that "they" or "the system "won't allow you to achieve them. They need to be in rooms where people will be in their ear telling them that their dreams are too small.
Get in better rooms. That would be the first step.
Second step, ignore every piece of advice any general organized bar is giving about how to make your firm or your life better.
The Renegade Lawyer Podcast
Lindsay Kelly - Using a Life Challenge to Add Hope to Caregivers Everywhere
Lindsay Kelly is a mom to six who, facing a huge life challenge, did not let the challenge get her down. She and Ben Glass met at Funnel Hacking Live (a huge marketing and personal development conference) and asked his favorite question: what is your superpower?
Lindsay is a caregiver for her husband and the sole financial support for her family. She went to the conference to figure out "next steps" as the job that she was in through the summer of 2023 was ending soon.
Lindsay has built a huge social media following as she documents her family's journey and now she is taking what she has learned in dealing with her own challenges and building a new business that help lend support to hundreds of thousands of caregivers around the world.
Ben and Lindsay also spend some time talking about dealing with "the critics." Most successful people will have those who aren't willing to do the work necessary to become successful chirping at them from the bottom of the tree. They both have some insights which will be helpful for others who hear and see the sting of the "critics" who are on in the arena.
Join us as we dive into an enlightening conversation with Lindsay Kelly, a social media star with an authentic storytelling approach. Get a taste of her journey and insights into successful entrepreneurship.
Ben Glass is a nationally recognized personal injury and long-term disability insurance attorney in Fairfax, VA. Since 2005, Ben Glass and Great Legal Marketing have been helping solo and small firm lawyers make more money, get more clients and still get home in time for dinner. We call this TheGLMTribe.com
What Makes The GLM Tribe Special?
In short, we are the only organization within the "business builder for lawyers" space that is led by two practicing lawyers.
One thing we're sure you've noticed is that despite the variety of options within our space, no one else is mixing
the actual practice of law with business building in the way that we are.
There are no other organizations who understand the highs and lows of running a small law firm and are engaged in talking to real clients. That is what sets GLM apart from every other organization, and it is why we have had loyal members that have been with us for two-decades.
maybe even family members who would be like, resistant to the whole idea of someone so young with such a potentially debilitating condition. But at some point you said now this is a story to be told because it can help others. So what was the spark for that?
Speaker 2:You know, I think just that feeling alone, speaking of what you were saying like when you go through something like this, where it's a health challenge, I thought it was just me that had to deal with family members who were in denial, and I had almost tried to convince some of the family members on his side specifically, they were trying to be protective, like just trying to protect him, and what I realized is that they were in denial over this and so I didn't even have them to rely on. I actually had them fighting against me at one point just, and they weren't meaning to. This is nothing. I just have never been in their position. I was only in my position.
Speaker 3:Welcome to the Renegade Lawyer Podcast, the show where we ask the questions why aren't more lawyers living flourishing lives and inspiring others? And can you really get wealthy while doing only the work you love with people you like? Many lawyers are. Get ready to hear from your host, ben Glass, the founder of the law firm Ben Glass Law in Fairfax, virginia, and great legal marketing, an organization that helps good people succeed by coaching, inspiring and supporting law firm owners. Join us for today's conversation.
Speaker 1:Hey everyone, this is Ben. Welcome back to the Renegade Lawyer Podcast where I get to interview really interesting people inside and outside of legal who are making a ding in the world. I've got a really special guest today, my friend Lindsay Kelly. For those of you who were at our summit last month, I mentioned a woman I had met down at Funnel Hacking Live and a conversation I just started with her. She had a rookie badge on and I just started talking to her and said hey, you know what's your superpower Turns out she's relatively famous in her niche. She has over 176,000 followers on TikTok, 20,000 followers on Facebook and she's doing that by authentically telling her story. So I got to met Lindsay, her son Cash. We had some fun together, we made some introductions to some other people and just learned about each other's businesses. So, lindsay, I'm so glad that you're able to carve out some time that we were able to get our schedules to mesh to have you on the podcast today.
Speaker 2:Awesome. Thank you for having me. I'm excited and it was awesome. I didn't know you spoke about me at your event.
Speaker 1:I didn't use your name, but now people will know. Yeah, because the point I was making at our event was that when you go to an event, a conference, something, a seminar, you shouldn't be sitting with people that you came with. You should be looking to sit with other people and you should be curious. Especially, this was a, for those who don't know, funnel Hacking Live is a huge entrepreneur, marketing and personal development conference 5,000 people there, everyone like with entrepreneurial businesses, and so pretty easy to start up a conversation to say, hey, what do you do, like, why are you here, which is what we talked about, but asking curious questions and finding out about other people's lives, and then, you know, just finding areas of commonality, finding problems that you can solve with each other.
Speaker 1:And I think in our case, you know, we made some introductions and so we had a little group mastermind going on there and it was. So it was great to meet your son because Cash was like you know, my joke was he was skipping school to come to a university where he's going to learn more in four days and he's going to learn in years of high school.
Speaker 2:It's true, it's true. We learned a lot there and, like you said, we just we met really awesome, amazing people. That helped us a ton. It was awesome that I sat next to you. I'm somewhat of an introvert and so when you leaned over, it was so awesome that you were like, hey, I'm Ben, and then it was just easy.
Speaker 1:Well, good, I'm glad that we can make it easy, but you know, the principle point is like people can make, people can have these discussions and just have to ask curious questions, but anyway, so let's talk a bit, because I asked you like why you were there and you were kind of we're working in one industry, the work there was kind of winding down, you were looking for something new. But you have this incredible story mom to six, your husband as a long term condition that you were the primary caretaker for, and you have become relatively famous in the world of helping other people who have a family member with a chronic illness like walk their way through all the different systems. So talk to us a little bit, lindsay, about your backstory, because I think it's really inspirational.
Speaker 2:Okay, so, as far as the TikTok, my TikTok, I actually started just posting on TikTok my story because I felt so alone going through all of the challenges that I had gone through, and so to me, I actually felt like I need to share this story, but I wasn't ready to share it with, like my Facebook and Instagram following, because that's like my family and friends or you know, and so I was like, you know, I should just start sharing this on TikTok I may as well put my story out there. And it just started people catching on to what was going on. And so my husband, like you said, is in an assisted living center. He got diagnosed with progressive MS about five years ago and at that time he had to go on disability.
Speaker 2:I have six children and I was also the caregiver of my husband, so it was kind of like life just got thrown at me all at once and I was like, how am I going to do this? Like I had no clue what I was doing. And the other thing was it didn't seem like anyone else had any answers for me. Like I had met tons of people with MS, but I had never met someone who had MS, who was dealing with the mental side of things. My husband's MS started affecting him mentally and so he started having memory loss and these mood swings that were I don't know, they were just mood swings that he had never had before, and then it just started going downhill from there, but he was still physically like going to the gym and working out and mountain biking.
Speaker 1:So yeah, as you started to walk through the journey personally. When did it occur to you, or how did it occur to you, to start to share that? Because a lot of people Wouldn't share it at all. Some wouldn't share it with family members, or at least Maybe even family members who would be like resistance to the whole idea of someone so young with such a Potentially debilitating condition. But at some point you Said now, this is a story to be told because it can help others. So what was the spark for that?
Speaker 2:You know, I think, just that feeling alone, speaking of what you were saying like when you go through something like this, where it's a health challenge, I thought it was just me that had to deal with family members who were in denial, and I had almost tried to convince some of the family members on his side specifically, they were trying to be protective, like just trying to protect him, and what I realized is that they were in denial over this and so I didn't even have them to rely on. I actually have them fighting against me at one point just, and they weren't meaning to. This is nothing. I just have never been in their position, I was only in my position. So they were in denial because they saw that he was declining, but I think they didn't want to admit that was what was happening. So at that point, when I started posting on tiktok, it was about I didn't have people who actually knew what was going on. I had people fighting against me Saying, oh, ms doesn't affect people that way, or you, you I hope this is okay to say, but I did have a family member says like, oh, you need to go get marriage counseling because they did not understand that ms was affecting him and making him decline mentally, so, like right now my husband's Mentally, he probably acts more like a 14 or 15 year old boy, but that's something when you can't see it like a broken arm, you can see, but you can't see when somebody's mentally declining.
Speaker 2:So I think when I started posting, I was in a place of I need to share with people what ms can do to a person, or what this has done, even to our family, and I just kind of had to Put it out there.
Speaker 2:I just felt like I needed to. I don't even know, it was just coming from a place of Nobody understands me. I'm gonna put it out there and now, with that, with my following, what's been beneficial is that so many people are caregivers to their spouses or their loved ones and they've reached out to me and been like, oh my gosh, I'm in that same situation and I didn't know what was going on with my husband until you started posting. So I started meeting people all around the country that were going through similar situations and I'm like I need to start a caregiver support program for these people. There are so many of us out there that are in the same situation and on top of that. They were dealing with family members who were in denial as well, so it helped me be more compassionate on my family members that were struggling.
Speaker 1:We'll come back in a few minutes and talk about your program. But you know, I think I relate to you when we were in Orlando kind of a similar story in that, as many of my listeners know, we have nine children, four or adopted from China and two had challenges from that. And so everything we thought we knew about parenting, my wife and I, we had to go and relearn and we had to seek out experts on brain science and parenting kids from hard places. And, yeah, different steps along the line there was resistance From family members who didn't understand, who weren't doing the depth of study we were doing, certainly from other community members, from teachers, from from other School leaders and stuff. So it was really hard and it wasn't until, like Sandy and I, found the community Right.
Speaker 1:I told you the story of going to the church down in Nashville for a big conference of parents of kids from hard places and we look around there's hundreds of people in the same boat, some of them Farther along the journey than we were and others not quite as far as we were, and so that has turned into a.
Speaker 1:There's a project for us, like to mentor the next, next generation of parents who are involved in, particularly in our case, in the world of international adoption. So I'm curious, though, because Tick-tock, it's kind of new to me. Like I told you, I'm up to almost 80 followers now and you have 175,000. So I'm learning from you how and I talk to a lot of lawyers, right, and we're teaching them things like get in front of the camera, tell stories, don't look like a regular lawyer, like look like a real person. So for you, how hard was it to get in front of a camera and start to tell these stories, which are very Effective, because people Is just, they watch them, they pass them off, sometimes they steal them, apparently. But did you find that hard? Like, how would you coach like a professional who, okay, now I want to do a TikTok, but I'm really self-conscious about putting a camera in front of my face and telling my authentic story. What would you say to that?
Speaker 2:I would say you know that it's not easy to put yourself in front of the camera and it's not easy to share your life with people. But one thing that I have learned is I used to kind of be a little more closed off not totally, but I didn't go share what I'm sharing with people but then it became so much a part of my life that I just had to not care what other people think. So I think I had to get to this place, and that came with time, because even still I'll post a video and be like I'm not sure if I should share that, but the reality is it helps other people and that's how we help. All of humanity is sharing our stories, is, you know, by connecting with each other. And if we just don't do that and we try to hide all the stuff that we are dealing with, then we're dealing with it alone. And I think putting myself out there it wasn't easy at first, especially because it was like I don't know what people are going to think.
Speaker 2:And I think one of the first videos was my mom helping my husband like she was scratching his back. At the time we went to our daughter's sixth grade graduation and she was scratching my husband's back to keep him at bay from having an anxiety attack. He gets a sensory overload, so too much noise, too much motion is too much for him. So he starts having this anxiety attack and my mom goes over and scratches his back. And the next morning I woke up and it had like 6000 views and I called my mom. I'm like, mom, that video that you did got all these views. But what was cool is on those comments, I got both like what the heck is going on. And then I got, oh my gosh, thank you for sharing. We deal with this too, and I just think it's putting yourself out there, not caring what other people think. If you want to see what other people think, just go read any of my comments on my board, and everybody has an opinion and so you can't please everyone, so you just got to do you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you and I communicate a bit since we met in Orlando and, yeah, one of the things I said was that people don't say bad things about just regular ordinary people, because you're doing something extraordinary. You're basically opening the doors of your house, right of your life, for the world to come see and, of course, there's going to be people that are critical for whatever reason, but you are serving the world. Tell us a little bit about the family, like age range of the kiddos. I mentioned cash, but they're all still at home. I forget. Do you have any of that? Are out in college.
Speaker 2:I don't have any that are in college. I have my oldest who does. She lives around the corner from me with one of her friends. She's 19. And then I cashed my second son. He's 17. I have a almost 16 year old, a 14, a 10 and an eight year old. Try to keep track of that. You have nine kids. You probably can keep track of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that dad has to write down the birth date. So when you go to the pharmacy and they say, what's the birth date, you have to pull out something. But then my joke was there, as always, but I wasn't there for four of them, right? I wasn't there when they were born, yeah. So, and again we'll come back in a minute to talk about what, like what, your next stage and what you're doing with some of the challenges that you've had in your life. To help now, to help others. What did you think of funnel hacking live? What big takeaways did you get, either business wise or personal wise, from that event?
Speaker 2:I got so much that I took away from that. One was meeting you. Really that was the very kind.
Speaker 2:I like I don't know how to explain that that was actually a very divine thing that you and I met Some of the things that they talked about there. Well, just a little bit of a backstory. I go there, I'm working for my friend, I have gone through the life coach school and I knew I wanted to be a life coach and I knew I was ready to do that, not quite sure how to put myself out there in a big way. But my friend had emailed me and said like a couple weeks before, and said, hey, work is slowing down, I can't afford to pay you a base pay after the end of October. So it just kicked in like I need to get this going because I can do this, I can be a life coach.
Speaker 2:But when I went to funnel hacking live, it was like I met so many people there who were in that same type of a situation. I met a guy who was on. He was working for the school district. I think he was a teacher and he went to his first funnel hacking live. Like I can't remember whatever year it was. He quit his high school teaching job, made his first cell at funnel hacking live and now he's on Russell Brunson's inner circle, which is I was just like that is so encouraging.
Speaker 2:I have this following, which a bunch of people kept talking about their social media and I have this social media following but I don't have like a newsletter. And people were like you don't have a newsletter on your social media, and so I came home and I'm like I need to do this. The other thing was you need to be posting every day, which I didn't realize the benefits of posting on social media every day. I was just like, oh, I'm just posting, I'm kind of just gathering people in for you know other people who are, I can help maybe. And so I think the biggest takeaway was to post every day, which I will say they are right, my following.
Speaker 2:I Can I tell my story about my son so my I Will get millions of views on my tiktok following, but I had this weird thing where I wasn't sure that I fully wanted to share my Content with my Facebook and Instagram friends, because those are the people, like a lot of them I grew up with, or a lot of them their family, and I'm like I don't know that. I really want to put this on there if they follow me on tiktok, that's great, but I never advertised it to my Instagram or Facebook following pause there.
Speaker 1:I just think it's funny that you think that like it's over here on this one social media, but it's not there, so they're not seeing it like.
Speaker 2:I Don't know if who follows me on there, and when you start to get a following, you get so many notifications that you actually don't see who starts to follow you. And so I was just like, if they follow me, that's great. And some people have told me they follow me. Other people they have no clue that I have a tiktok account. So I would have, over the last probably year, I've had people Message me and say is this you? Especially the last six months, I've had people send me someone who took my tiktok video off of my tiktok and Reposted it on Instagram and I was like they'd say is this you? Maybe you should report it? And I was just, yeah, it's alright, I mean, I don't really care.
Speaker 2:Well, my son, when I got home from funnel hacking live, he sent me. He sent me a video of this person who took one of my videos, and so it was just a normal thing. People would keep sending me Instagram. I'm people taking my tiktok videos putting on Instagram. So people kept sending me the Instagram videos. Well, my son sent it to me and one of my videos on their Instagram have 15.8 million views.
Speaker 2:I think it's out like 18 today, but it like just clicked with me that I'm like wait a minute, like this person took my content and they are getting credit for it, why the heck am I not posting that on my own social media accounts? It was just like one of these things where it was just like I learned so much. Why am I not blending this all in with what I'm already doing on Facebook and Instagram? So I was like, well, that video of mine gets that many views, I'm gonna repost that same video. So I reposted the same video that they got all those views and I posted it to my account just a couple weeks ago and my following on Instagram at Facebook just went through the roof. But what's funny is that one account has, I think, five of my videos and all five of them are in the millions and it solely grew grew their Instagram page and they're my videos. So I'm like you know I should just share it with my own family.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's like you know, oftentimes I'll see some of my stuff or you know Kind of IP that we have created and now somebody else is using it without attribution. It's like, okay, well, you know, copying is the sincerest form of flattery. Yeah, I send them a copy of their book, which is actually my book, and I say it looks like your ghostwriter got a little carried away, since it's coming from a lawyer. Like it disappears, no threats.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, one thing I saw about you and I think you're reinforced is just, I think you went down to Orlando Kind of with a vision hey, I'd like to do this life coaching thing. But I think that event and some of the folks that we talked to helped you refine that a bit. Excuse me more specific, even now, because you have this certain set of gifts, skills and interests driven by your life experience. Right, and this following is like, oh no, let's see how many caretakers we can help, because you're right, when someone is thrust into the world of having to take care of a family member, typically who's got a sudden injury or chronic illness, there's everything you and I were talking for my lives, everything from like medical supply Issues like where do I get the beds and the chairs and the things if we need it.
Speaker 1:To the legal side Like, what kind of benefits are out there to the legal side of am I going to be the guardian or not of my loved one? And You're right, as we, as my life and I walked through the journey of trying to figure out who the experts were. It's like everyone's good over here and someone else knows something over here. But there wasn't any one place we could go that put together a cohort of Information and experts and I think is I understand your project We'll talk about here. This is what you're doing. Right Is, if we can call it, one-stop shopping. That's way too simple. It doesn't do it justice, of course, but giving Caretakers, and particularly new to the caretaking world, a place to go to talk, to share, but also to get resources.
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Speaker 1:So let's talk a little bit about what you are working on, because I know you've been working out a lot since funnel, hacking live and cash. Your son has been helping you and you all met several Very kind thing you said about me, but you met a lot of really smart people down there in my sense, all of whom Like yeah, like what will help, like here's an idea, here's a product, here's a, here's another person you need to go talk to. Like that's a really cool thing about that event is everybody is so I thought so giving of here's an idea.
Speaker 2:Oh my goodness, yes that yeah, yeah, everybody there was so so.
Speaker 2:So that was what's cool about that. I've been to other events, but nothing's like that one where I was like so many people were like, oh, what do you need help with. Like I got people's numbers and they were just like here, reach out to me anytime you need help. And just yeah, there were so many people that Just so willing to help me. I told I was like so open about my story. I'm like I don't have a job.
Speaker 2:At the end of October, I have 175,000 followers on tech talk. What do I need to do? Because I am ready to go, but I just needed to know what it was. I told people my niche was caregiving, but I had just decided that right before hunt funnel hacking live. When I went to funnel hacking live, I'm like, okay, a niche is literally something you do every day. We were seeing people who were in there just creating, like a lady who makes cookies or a lady who just does videos. It was just like Hold on, these are things they love to do and they can make. They can go better the world and that's what they can do for a living. And I'm like I can do this, like I can help other people and be fulfilled in my life with helping other people, which was awesome.
Speaker 2:So I narrowed down my niche to caregivers of loved ones. I've had many other people who have reached out to me about their spouses, which has been awesome, because it's like then I also don't feel so alone. They're not going to feel alone. But yes, since then I've been working on refining my niche.
Speaker 2:I have been creating courses online for caregivers, because the thing that people don't understand about caregiving just like you were a caregiver to your kids, even though they're your kids but the caregiving role A lot of people don't understand how wearing emotionally that can be on a caregiver. So I'll often get comments like, oh, you could take care of your husband or you could whatever that. I did take care of my husband for actually years before I made had to make this tough decision, but what I still am is his caregiver. I've just been able to divide it between different places now, and so I did this these courses that I'm helping caregivers to actually Feel empowered and to realize that they don't have to be get to this caregiver burnout stage. They actually I'm giving them tools on how to help themselves through that, through the caregiving. I can't take their problems away, but I can help them with the caregiving of themselves so that they can be better caregivers.
Speaker 1:That's so interesting because, well, first, I'll tell you that a reason that people found you so attractive was that you came to Funnel hacking live with a job. Really, that was kind of going away, like that industry was going away and you were there to make your life better. You weren't like whining or trying to figure out like when the government going to send me some money, you're like, no, I need to make this happen for my kids and entrepreneurs of all stripes, I think, and especially those of us who've been in that world for a while like we like helping people who are going to go and do something. We do not like talking to people who go well, that's way too hard or I'm not going to try, I'm not going to get up early in the morning and right or whatever, like we. So we like helping people.
Speaker 1:But the other thing that I think is important is you said you know, don't get to caretaker burnout. And this is so important in my role and coaching lawyers, it's like you got to take care of yourself first. Like as we ended our our conference, number one thing is go get your own stuff in order, like your own estate plan in order, your own health, your own mental, spiritual fitness because you're the racehorse, you're Kate caretakers that you're coaching like, they're the resources of the families. They are no good if to others, if they are stressed out, can't deal with it, have no place to turn. So this work that you're doing is really important and I would just I would commend you for giving them permission to think about themselves, because, as human beings, in a hard situation we default to the other a lot.
Speaker 1:so you have a, in your case, a husband who's needs care, but you also got six kiddos, yeah, could potentially suffer from what we would call our world's secondary trauma, if mom is totally burnt out from caring for her husband, from trying to drive revenue into the family, like, and so you have to be everything, and there's so few people in the world who can coach that really well. I think you're going to be a great coach, mentor, guru of that, and so I know you're working on something that's coming in early November and I know a lot of your followers. I think you're going to watch this conversation because I know you haven't had a lot of in depth back and forth interviews about your life and conversation. Let's just talk for a few minutes about what the world is going to see come November, and one thing we learned in Florida was you go and do it and you revise and you fix and you amend, but you put stuff into the world. So what are you working on?
Speaker 2:I am just I'm putting stuff into the world. That's right, and I that's what I've learned is I actually have a lot of experience that could help other people and I'm packaging that up and helping other people so that they don't have to feel so alone in this caregiving process. So I'm going to mainly focus on the caregiver, but I will have aspects of it where I bring in experts who can help the caregiving of, in aspects of helping the person that they're caregiving for. So I'll have experts that come on and teach about, you know, what they can do with maybe social security, things that are down your alley to and the main thing I am focusing on is building out helping caregivers feel empowered through all of this. Like you said, the caregiver burnout. I actually didn't know that was a real thing until I got burned out and then somebody said did you know that there is a medical term?
Speaker 2:Actually yes, Carrier burnout and I was like are you kidding me? That's what I'm feeling like. I literally felt like I was going to have a nervous breakdown. I remember going up to my parents house and being like I have no idea what's going on, but I can't do this. And my mom and dad were in the thick of it, helping me. My sister was watching my husband while I went to work. My mom was watching my husband while I went to work. All day they were helping me with my kids. They were my rock. My family was just there for me. They saw all of my emotions and thankfully, they didn't express judgment to me in front of my face.
Speaker 2:But I want to help other people who are feeling those same emotions with caregiving. I think you don't have to get yourself to this place where you're just like, oh my gosh, my life is only I have to do it all for everybody else. And that's not true. We can step away because, like you were mentioning, we have to take care of ourselves first. I am such a better person when sometimes I have to peel myself away, but I peel myself away on purpose, so that I can take care of myself and there's guilt and overwhelm. Well, there's mainly guilt when you try to do something like that, but then you come back and you're able to offload that burnout and come back a better person. So I'm mainly working on doing these courses for helping caregivers so they don't reach this burnout in their life.
Speaker 1:Guilt is a big word, you know. Especially I know you have a Mormon background. You and I talked a little bit about religion and stuff in Orlando and it's a barrier. It's often does a barrier to greatness, because you think what will others say about me? Or if I grab some extra time for myself, what will the world think? And that's just not what we need. Like we need the world needs people who are going to shun those who are loud and mean and say your opinion actually doesn't really matter to me, like help me do this better. If you've got an opinion on that, maybe I'll listen. Right, but don't just sit down at the bottom of the tree and yell at me like that doesn't help move the world. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I will say with that, just as far as having that has been one thing through the caregiving that I have realized that many people don't understand. But if I can say this, God does understand each one of us, and that was what I learned is that if I just listen to him and if I follow those feelings of putting myself out there and sharing my story, it really doesn't matter what comments I get, and so I really have been. I rely on that guy so much. He is that feeling that I get from him just knowing that he is there, helping me, has that is where I pull all my strength from. I think that's a huge part of this caregiving for me is that I have fully pulled strength from just prayer and listening to God.
Speaker 1:And I'm sure you've been stretched in ways you couldn't have imagined a decade ago, two decades ago, and it is part of life. And when you look back and you say, well, there's a reason why I endured challenges and oftentimes you're in the challenge. It's hard to see, but now you have this opportunity, in a very authentic way, to help the next again, the next caretaker who's thrust into this world. All right, so let's tell. So folks who are already your followers probably know where you are. You spell your first name Lindsay, l-a-n-d-s-a-y, kelly, and apparently that matches some famous Olympians that you're more hard to find on social media.
Speaker 1:But you do have a page up at two hour U, which, by the way, is the number two H-O-U-R, and then the letter Ucom, where folks who are interested in getting on your email list, who interested in finding out about the program that you're launching in November, can just get into your world and make sure they don't miss anything. And also, like, if you can find her on TikTok I mean, she's there, you gotta look For my lawyer friends who are interested in building authentic social media platforms through authentic video, like following Lindsay and just looking at how out there she is and how courageous she is and saying, if she can do it, gee, maybe I can do that too. Like I think that would be a good exercise for you. So anything else in terms of that I missed. In terms of social media where people can come and find you again Facebook, instagram.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Facebook, Instagram, they all kind of have. I didn't know I was gonna get a following, so I have them all under my name. Lindsay Kelly. I do have my middle name, my maiden name, in there, but I've had TikTok for a long time and it just I don't know, I can't find my name on there, I can't use it, but it's Lindsay Wadman Kelly W-A-D-M-A-N. So if they want to look me up, and find me yeah on Facebook specifically. That will help.
Speaker 1:And I told you, narlah, I just thought it was so great to meet your son, who had told me all the books that we tell lawyers to go read, about mindset and living and growing Like he's rad he gives them out to his friends maybe only a few friends, like take him seriously and read him, but he's a real go-getter and I know he's helping you with this next part of your venture as well.
Speaker 2:Yes, he has been helping me with the business end of things, and when we were at Funnel Hacking Live, he was out there networking and he is. The reason I met a whole bunch of people is because he's brave and just was like he's in the same boat as me, where he got put to be the man of the house and so he doesn't even realize what it's like to have a dad that could help him do things. My husband only hasn't been living here for about a year and a half, but he just doesn't even realize his strength. But he just came up with this determination but he doesn't even understand where it came from. And I'm watching it being like you took on this role of being the man of the house and you don't even realize that's what you're doing. So, yeah, he's going places in his life.
Speaker 1:He will, and one day he'll understand, and one day he'll be able to also tell that inside story of how he responded and what an awesome family you all have. So, lindsay Kelly, look, as always, it's a pleasure to talk to you. You are an inspiration and just a great example of putting yourself into the world, being courageous, ignoring the critics, learning some new technologies, showing up at events where it's like, oh wow, it's going to hit me with a fire hose of information and kind of figuring out next step. So that is your superpower, which is the question I asked you and Orlando. So it's always great to talk to you, my friend.
Speaker 2:Thank you, and thank you for having me on today.
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